im still waiting to see if Alex or Charles will be punished for denying
Jasons right?
Dan Murphy
US2002023585
On 9/6/05, US National Coordinator <cam.usnc@...> wrote:
>
> On 9/6/05, Henry Towsner <henryt@...> wrote:
> > So, you're saying that if an officer is ordered to do something they
> > don't support, they should do it under protest, but if they actually
> > express their protest openly, that becomes "failing to cooperate"?
>
> That's not even close to what I said.
>
> Refusing to implement a decision by a supervising ST means that the ST
> chain is free to find someone else to hold your position who can
> follow policy.
>
> Implementing that decision, but with respectful comments that you
> disagree with the decision, is not (in my opinion) worthy of any form
> of disciplinary action. (Doing so disrespectfully may be a CoC
> violation, but I think we all know that.)
>
> Or, in other words, doing it under protest is fine. Not doing it at
> all is not fine.
>
> > Dale hasn't approved it because he's waiting for answers to some
> > questions he asked months ago. Are you saying that Jason is culpable,
> > to the point of punishment, for failing to order Dale to approve the
> > item without getting his questions answered--even though it had only
> > been pending a few weeks, less time than many other approvals have
> > waited at various levels at various times?
>
> Again, no, I didn't say that. Jason is culpable for the unrelated
> reasons I stated before. Dale's actions in this case don't change
> Jason's culpability one way or the other.
>
> > So, Jason's failure to instruct Dale to address the matter is obviously
> > criminal, and grounds for punishment without ever asking him why he
> > didn't, while Jon and David's failure to do the exact thing for four
> > times as long is so obviously reasonable that it requires no
> > justification?
> > I fail to see why an appeal like this could possibly be viewed as an
> > obstacle to the approval process.
>
> Again, nowhere did I use Dale's actions or lack thereof as any
> justification for any punishment. Similarly, it is not a very good
> justification, I think, to avoid any punishment.
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