Dan-
It is not Jon's job to make this fiasco "go away." It's Jon's job to act
according to the strictures of the MH, which provides several guidelines for
Jon. He must:
1) Establish regional policies for the players and storytellers within the
region.
2) Weave local venue chronicles into the regional chronicle and ensure that
they remain aligned with the Camarilla's global sanctioned chronicle, its
rules, and policies.
3) Promote fair and ethical game play.
4) Meet the ongoing requirements of supervising storytellers.
among others.
Based on these rights and responsibilities, you cannot logically assert that
Jon must let this "go away." In fact, it is Jon's duty to make sure that
disciplinary actions don't "go away." I don't think there is anyone in the
domain who disagrees that Jon could let this disappear. However, to do so,
Jon would have to violate several core responsibilities he has to this
domain and to this region.
In the future, please refain from arguing in support of actions that would
cause others violate the policies of this organization.
Anthony C. [name redacted at Anthonys request]
US2003021263
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Murphy" <daniel.murphy.1@...>
To: <steelshadows@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [steelshadows] two things
> this is a special case. guess what...policy-makers have taken special
> cases into consideration since the beginning of time. even someone who
> sees the world in clear-cut black and white, like me, must admit
> there there is ALWAYS an exception. there is a very easy way to make
> this all go away...all JOn has to do is let Jason run in the election.
>
> Dan Murphy
> US2002023585
>
>
> On 8/27/05, Michael Shaffer <pelantan@...> wrote:
> > Anthony,
> >
> > <shakes head> If that is your belief, so be it. I'm not here to
challenge
> > anyone's belief structure. However please doen't expect everyone to
agree
> > that what you say is fact just because you say it. Allowing a domain to
> > elect who they want especially when the one they wish to elect has not
> > violated any rules in the handbook is not making a special case. It's
> > called doing your job. It comes down to very basic things. Jason
violated
> > no rule in the handbook. You can't use the handbook to further attack
him
> > for what was done by someone outside the boundries of the book. Unless
you
> > working on finding and excuse to punish a Domain that dared take the
high
> > road during all of this mess.
> >
> > Its rather sad the number of people these days who are willing to roll
over
> > just because the powers that be tell them to. I'm here to play a game.
> > Not stroke someone's ego. This entire incident has been in violation of
> > the Code of Conduct and the Membership Handbook. It could even be
argued
> > that it was in violation for US law. To support it in any way says
volumes
> > about the person supporting it. I don't care if Jon has done all sorts
of
> > wonderful things in the past. History is repleat with those who have
done
> > wonderful things all their lives and yet when push came to shove, made
the
> > wrong decision. This is one of those cases. If he enforces this, he
will
> > be putting himself with the MST on this. And considering this only came
> > out after a number of us in the Domain were willing to let our Domain
slip
> > into black status for a month so we could put Jason back in the spot he
has
> > earned it points to one of two things. Either he is going to force us
to
> > submit to being slaves of the Camarilla or he is going to use it as an
> > excuse to disband the Domain. Those are the only two reasons for doing
> > this based on the facts of _this_ case.
> >
> > Or are you insulting Jon and calling him nothing but a robot who only
does
> > things per his programing and never on the facts of an incident?
> >
> > Michael Shaffer
> > US2003082207
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Anthony C. [name redacted at Anthonys request] <daslurpee@...>
> > > To: <steelshadows@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: 8/27/2005 6:33:18 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [steelshadows] two things
> > >
> > > Michael-
> > >
> > > The RST is not admitting he has it in for Pittsburgh. On the contrary,
> > those
> > > who have actually bothered to talk to him in a civilized and
non-offensive
> > > manner have discovered that these policies have been his modus
operandi
> > > since he took office. For him to break these standards would be for
> > > Pittsburgh to be a special case. Again.
> > >
> > > Your uninformed attack on Jon's office is inflammatory. Your belief in
an
> > Us
> > > vs. Them confrontation is extremely contending. Before you continue to
> > > attack Jon, I recommend you educate yourself on his policies and
decisions
> > > in cases prior to ours.
> > >
> > > Anthony C. [name redacted at Anthonys request]
> > > US2003021263
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Shaffer" <pelantan@...>
> > > To: <steelshadows@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:30 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [steelshadows] two things
> > >
> > >
> > > > Anthony,
> > > >
> > > > This list is for information and facts which I stated. Nothing
bitter
> > > > about it. Nothing inflamitory. Just a recitation. If that bothers
> > you,
> > > > perhaps you should find a list where truth is not spoken. If you
read
> > > > anger in my e-mails, then perhaps you should talk with someone for
there
> > > > was none. <smile> Ignoring the wall doesn't make it not there.
The
> > same
> > > > for the expressed attitude of those who have seized power. There
can be
> > > no
> > > > other infrence obtained from the RST's actions and words then he is
> > trying
> > > > to attack the Pittsburgh domain in the only way he can. He isn't
> > helping
> > > > the situation, he is adding fuel to the fire. There is no way this
can
> > be
> > > > taken any other way and keep your eyes open at the same time.
<smile>
> > > >
> > > > Michael Shaffer
> > > > US2003082207
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > From: Anthony C. [name redacted at Anthonys request] <daslurpee@...>
> > > > > To: <steelshadows@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Date: 8/26/2005 8:15:24 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [steelshadows] two things
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael-
> > > > >
> > > > > Some of us would appriciate it if you would cease your
inflammatory
> > and
> > > > > non-constructive comments. If you want to be bitter, there are
other
> > > > e-mail
> > > > > lists with which you may vent your anger. Some of us are not
> > subscribed
> > > to
> > > > > that list because we don't want to read it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > >
> > > > > Anthony C. [name redacted at Anthonys request]
> > > > > US2003021263
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Michael Shaffer" <pelantan@...>
> > > > > To: <steelshadows@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [steelshadows] two things
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you. So the RST is admitting that he has it in for
> > Pittsburgh.
> > > I
> > > > > > hope the RC is paying attention to this as he was the one who
said
> > > > > > otherwise.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Shaffer
> > > > > > US2003082207
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > > > From: Kris Borer <felixplaz@...>
> > > > > > > To: <steelshadows@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Date: 8/26/2005 6:52:53 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [steelshadows] two things
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm assuming that he is refering to the election
> > > > > > > > that will be held _after_
> > > > > > > > Jason's 6 month suspention is up. So... show me
> > > > > > > > the rules that back this
> > > > > > > > up please.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Membership Handbook:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "After the application deadline, the officer
> > > > > > > administering the election reviews the applications.
> > > > > > > The officer may remove any applications that are
> > > > > > > inappropriate. Legitimate reasons for removal of an
> > > > > > > applicant include past disciplinary actions..."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kris Borer, DC, US2002106794
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