this is a special case. guess what...policy-makers have taken special
cases into consideration since the beginning of time. even someone who
sees the world in clear-cut black and white, like me, must admit
there there is ALWAYS an exception. there is a very easy way to make
this all go away...all JOn has to do is let Jason run in the election.
Dan Murphy
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On 8/27/05, Michael Shaffer <pelantan@...> wrote:
> Anthony,
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> <shakes head> If that is your belief, so be it. I'm not here to challen=
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> anyone's belief structure. However please doen't expect everyone to agre=
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> that what you say is fact just because you say it. Allowing a domain to
> elect who they want especially when the one they wish to elect has not
> violated any rules in the handbook is not making a special case. It's
> called doing your job. It comes down to very basic things. Jason violat=
ed
> no rule in the handbook. You can't use the handbook to further attack hi=
m
> for what was done by someone outside the boundries of the book. Unless y=
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> working on finding and excuse to punish a Domain that dared take the high
> road during all of this mess.
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> Its rather sad the number of people these days who are willing to roll ov=
er
> just because the powers that be tell them to. I'm here to play a game.
> Not stroke someone's ego. This entire incident has been in violation of
> the Code of Conduct and the Membership Handbook. It could even be argued
> that it was in violation for US law. To support it in any way says volum=
es
> about the person supporting it. I don't care if Jon has done all sorts o=
f
> wonderful things in the past. History is repleat with those who have don=
e
> wonderful things all their lives and yet when push came to shove, made th=
e
> wrong decision. This is one of those cases. If he enforces this, he wil=
l
> be putting himself with the MST on this. And considering this only came
> out after a number of us in the Domain were willing to let our Domain sli=
p
> into black status for a month so we could put Jason back in the spot he h=
as
> earned it points to one of two things. Either he is going to force us to
> submit to being slaves of the Camarilla or he is going to use it as an
> excuse to disband the Domain. Those are the only two reasons for doing
> this based on the facts of _this_ case.
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> Or are you insulting Jon and calling him nothing but a robot who only doe=
s
> things per his programing and never on the facts of an incident?
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> Michael Shaffer
> US2003082207
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> > [Original Message]
> > From: Anthony C. [name redacted at Anthonys request] <daslurpee@...>
> > To: <steelshadows@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: 8/27/2005 6:33:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [steelshadows] two things
> >
> > Michael-
> >
> > The RST is not admitting he has it in for Pittsburgh. On the contrary,
> those
> > who have actually bothered to talk to him in a civilized and non-offens=
ive
> > manner have discovered that these policies have been his modus operandi
> > since he took office. For him to break these standards would be for
> > Pittsburgh to be a special case. Again.
> >
> > Your uninformed attack on Jon's office is inflammatory. Your belief in =
an
> Us
> > vs. Them confrontation is extremely contending. Before you continue to
> > attack Jon, I recommend you educate yourself on his policies and decisi=
ons
> > in cases prior to ours.
> >
> > Anthony C. [name redacted at Anthonys request]
> > US2003021263
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Shaffer" <pelantan@...>
> > To: <steelshadows@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [steelshadows] two things
> >
> >
> > > Anthony,
> > >
> > > This list is for information and facts which I stated. Nothing bitte=
r
> > > about it. Nothing inflamitory. Just a recitation. If that bothers
> you,
> > > perhaps you should find a list where truth is not spoken. If you rea=
d
> > > anger in my e-mails, then perhaps you should talk with someone for th=
ere
> > > was none. <smile> Ignoring the wall doesn't make it not there. The
> same
> > > for the expressed attitude of those who have seized power. There can=
be
> > no
> > > other infrence obtained from the RST's actions and words then he is
> trying
> > > to attack the Pittsburgh domain in the only way he can. He isn't
> helping
> > > the situation, he is adding fuel to the fire. There is no way this c=
an
> be
> > > taken any other way and keep your eyes open at the same time. <smile=
>
> > >
> > > Michael Shaffer
> > > US2003082207
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Anthony C. [name redacted at Anthonys request] <daslurpee@...>
> > > > To: <steelshadows@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: 8/26/2005 8:15:24 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [steelshadows] two things
> > > >
> > > > Michael-
> > > >
> > > > Some of us would appriciate it if you would cease your inflammatory
> and
> > > > non-constructive comments. If you want to be bitter, there are othe=
r
> > > e-mail
> > > > lists with which you may vent your anger. Some of us are not
> subscribed
> > to
> > > > that list because we don't want to read it.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > >
> > > > Anthony C. [name redacted at Anthonys request]
> > > > US2003021263
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Michael Shaffer" <pelantan@...>
> > > > To: <steelshadows@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [steelshadows] two things
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thank you. So the RST is admitting that he has it in for
> Pittsburgh.
> > I
> > > > > hope the RC is paying attention to this as he was the one who sai=
d
> > > > > otherwise.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Shaffer
> > > > > US2003082207
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > > From: Kris Borer <felixplaz@...>
> > > > > > To: <steelshadows@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Date: 8/26/2005 6:52:53 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [steelshadows] two things
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm assuming that he is refering to the election
> > > > > > > that will be held _after_
> > > > > > > Jason's 6 month suspention is up. So... show me
> > > > > > > the rules that back this
> > > > > > > up please.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Membership Handbook:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "After the application deadline, the officer
> > > > > > administering the election reviews the applications.
> > > > > > The officer may remove any applications that are
> > > > > > inappropriate. Legitimate reasons for removal of an
> > > > > > applicant include past disciplinary actions..."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kris Borer, DC, US2002106794
> > > > > > ****************************
> > > > > >
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